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Group 2-4 Comparison of Utopia and Republic
 * 14.** A **utopia** is an imaginary society organized to create ideal conditions for human beings, eliminating hatred, pain, neglect, and all of the other evils of the world.
 * __Utopia__ || __Republic__ ||
 * Control of birth of children || Control of birth of children ||
 * Everyone treated equally || Caste System ||
 * Value Knowledge || Value Knowlege ||
 * Believe that actions affect soul || Believe that actions affect soul ||
 * Against pleasures of wealth and pride || Against pleasures of food, drink, and wealth ||
 * Didn't like manual labor || Has caste system group of workers ||

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Who is he: Thomas More was an English lawyer and an author and all throughout his lifetime he gained a reputation as a leading humanist scholar. When he lived: 1478-1535 in London, England Why he was famous: Sir Thomas More is famous for his book he wrote titled, //Utopia.// "Utopian" Beliefs: - Education is provided to all Utopian children. Traditionally only accomplished people of the Rennisance were allowed to give up manual labor for education. The Utopians believe that with education, the values of the citizens are developed. - The Utopians have the same basic level of understanding as Europeans of the time, but no one is allowed to believe in astrology. - Utopians believe in the nature of happiness and its relationship with the happiness of pleasure. Utopians believe the soul is immortal and that there is an afterlife that is either a reward or punishment depending on the person's decisions. - There are two different types of pleasure to Utopians. True pleasure is movemnt of the body or mind that makes a person better, like excersise or learning. Counterfeit pleasures are things like pride and wealth, things that are not naturally pleasurable.
 * 15. Sir Thomas More**

//Utiopia// in //Brave New World//: - Like in Brave New World, the Utopian government screens what they allow the citizens to believe.

-In Utopia there is such thing as a soul and it counts in life. They have goals to achieve full happiness. There goal is to have a sucessful afterlife. Unlike Brave New World, where death is of no importance.

- The pleasure in Brave New World would be looked down upon in Utopia. Utopians would view Brave New World's values/pleasures as Counterfeit and not natural. In Utopia, they value learning and physical exersise.

-In Brave New World there is a caste system where people are dumbed down just to have a working society. In Utopia everyone is the same and has the same understanding. Everyone is educated and nothing is restricted accept the belief in astrology. http://www.answers.com/topic/sir-thomas-more http://www.scribd.com/doc/2174639/Sir-Thomas-Mores-Utopia http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/morebio.htm http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/philosophers/more.html

When he lived: 427-347 B.C.E. Why he was famous: Plato was mostly known for being Socrates's, a Greek philosopher's, most famous and successful student. After the death of Socrates, Plato carried on much of his work and later founded his own school. Beliefs in //The Republic//: - Plato's Utopia was organized into three groups: the guardians, the warriers, and the workers. The guardians would have wisdom and would be made up of philosopher-kings trained especially for government administration. The guardians would not be allowed to marry nor own property. The warriers would have courage and be trained from youth in military skills in order to protect the state. The workers would have temperance and would do all farming and other work necessary to feed the people. - Plato permitted friendship between the sexes in his utopia, although, the creation of children would be controlled by the government. Through the careful selection of mates, the race would be strengthened by improved children. Only men above the age of thirty and below forty-five, and women above the age of twenty and below forty, would be permitted to have children. Any child born in violation of the state laws would be abandoned outside the walls of the city. - Plato writes of how each member of a Utopian society has a specific role that must be adhered to. The roles are assigned according to the skill level of each person and it would be counterproductive for the individual to try and fulfil another role. This develops a caste system. - Plato describes the different parts of a persons soul: the rational, the hungry, the yearning for honor, and the just soul. The rational soul is chracterized by the desire for knowlege, while the hungry soul thrives on material things like food, drink, pleasure and wealth. The soul that yearns for honor is where a person's spirit is, and the just soul dictates the sense of rational truth. Plato believes that justice is directly related to the structure of a person's soul.
 * 16. Plato**

//The Republic// In //Brave New World:// - Both societies in Brave New World and The Republic operate on a caste system. In Brave New World, the caste system is developed by the way a person is conditioned at birth, while in The Republic, each person has a specific job according to their skills and intelligence.

-Citizens in The Republic believe in depth of the soul, and how being a good person pays off in the afterlife. The characters in Brave New World only value things that are pleasurable and superficial, and they do not believe in the afterlife.

-Both societies control birth of children, to control the population of the next generation.

-The Republic was banned in Brave New World because it has ideas that teach how it is improtant to be just. People in Brave New World are taught to not believe certain things like religion. The Republic provokes certain philosophical ideas that would not be approved by the head administrators in Brave New World. The ideas of the way the soul is divided would cause the characters in Brave New World to question their civilization and not be satisfied with simple pleasures

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